Question and Answers about a Guru
( Guru Vishayak Prashnoutter )
( Guru Vishayak Prashnoutter )
Shree Hari
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Question:
Vishvaamitraparaasharprabhrutayo vaataambu parnaashanaa-
Steapi strimukhapankjam sulalitam dooshaidvava moham gataah |
Shaalyannam saghrutam payodadhiyutam bhunjanti ye maanavaa-
Steshaamindriyanigraho yadi bhavedvindhyastaretsaagare || (Bhartruharishatak)
"Even sages like Vishvaamitra and Paraasara etc., who led a life of extreme austerity merely by breathing air or drinking water and eating dry leaves, could not resist their lust for beautiful women and were deluded. It shall be a great wonder and rather an impossibility if people surrounded by all types of foods and luxuries can control their sensual cravings."
Under such a situation, it is unbelievable, rather impossible, that those people who initiate young women as their disciples and keep them in their Ashramas (hermitages) can attain liberation in their life time. How can such persons help you? It would be a pure and simple breach of trust.
Question: It is sometimes said that a realized exalted soul is not adversely affected even if he indulges in worldly pleasures. Is it correct?
Answer: It is just impossible. Total liberation and indulgence in worldly pleasure can never go together. Craving for pleasures vanishes even during the period while the aspirant practices spiritual discipline. The question of such pleasures does not arise at all for a realized soul. Such nonsense utterances are made and spread bu selfish unscrupulous element for their selfish end. It is said in Ramayana:
Mithyaarambh dambh rat joyi | ta kahun sant kahayi sab koyi ||
Niraachaar jo shruti path tyaagi | kalijug soyi gyaani so biraagi || (Manas, Utter. 98/2)
Par triya lampat kapat sayaane | Moha droha mamataa lapataane ||
Teyi abhedbaadee gyaanee nar | dekhaa mein charitr kalijug kar (Manas, Utter, 98/2, 4)
Budhadvaitasatattvasya yetheshtaacharanam yadi |
Shunaam tatvedrushaam chaiva ko bhedoashuchi bhakshane ||
"Even after attaining the Supreme knowledge of real self, if a person remains engaged in irresponsible conduct such as impure food (meat and wine etc.) then what is the difference between that so called realized soul and a dog?
Yatsu pravrajito bhootvaa punah sevet maithunam |
Shashti varsh sahastraani vishthaayaam jaayate krumih ||
(Skandapuran, Kaashi. Pu. 40/107)
"One who indulges in sex with a woman even after renouncing the world, such a Sannyasi has to spend sixty thousand years as an insect in excrement".
Desires are real cause of worldly pleasures and a person attains liberation (salvation), only after completely getting rid of such desires. Worldly desires disappear even of an aspirant when he starts spiritual practice. If at all it is mentioned somewhere in a volume that a liberated soul is not spoilt even on indulging in material pleasures, it is there to show the dimension of his greatness and glory. It is not a rule. For example , it is mentioned in Gita that a liberated soul who has diluted his ego and whose intellect is not tainted, is never regarded gulty of killing even if he does so nor he is bound. It does not mean that he actually kills anybody. (to be continued)
Steapi strimukhapankjam sulalitam dooshaidvava moham gataah |
Shaalyannam saghrutam payodadhiyutam bhunjanti ye maanavaa-
Steshaamindriyanigraho yadi bhavedvindhyastaretsaagare || (Bhartruharishatak)
"Even sages like Vishvaamitra and Paraasara etc., who led a life of extreme austerity merely by breathing air or drinking water and eating dry leaves, could not resist their lust for beautiful women and were deluded. It shall be a great wonder and rather an impossibility if people surrounded by all types of foods and luxuries can control their sensual cravings."
Under such a situation, it is unbelievable, rather impossible, that those people who initiate young women as their disciples and keep them in their Ashramas (hermitages) can attain liberation in their life time. How can such persons help you? It would be a pure and simple breach of trust.
Question: It is sometimes said that a realized exalted soul is not adversely affected even if he indulges in worldly pleasures. Is it correct?
Answer: It is just impossible. Total liberation and indulgence in worldly pleasure can never go together. Craving for pleasures vanishes even during the period while the aspirant practices spiritual discipline. The question of such pleasures does not arise at all for a realized soul. Such nonsense utterances are made and spread bu selfish unscrupulous element for their selfish end. It is said in Ramayana:
Mithyaarambh dambh rat joyi | ta kahun sant kahayi sab koyi ||
Niraachaar jo shruti path tyaagi | kalijug soyi gyaani so biraagi || (Manas, Utter. 98/2)
Par triya lampat kapat sayaane | Moha droha mamataa lapataane ||
Teyi abhedbaadee gyaanee nar | dekhaa mein charitr kalijug kar (Manas, Utter, 98/2, 4)
Budhadvaitasatattvasya yetheshtaacharanam yadi |
Shunaam tatvedrushaam chaiva ko bhedoashuchi bhakshane ||
"Even after attaining the Supreme knowledge of real self, if a person remains engaged in irresponsible conduct such as impure food (meat and wine etc.) then what is the difference between that so called realized soul and a dog?
Yatsu pravrajito bhootvaa punah sevet maithunam |
Shashti varsh sahastraani vishthaayaam jaayate krumih ||
(Skandapuran, Kaashi. Pu. 40/107)
"One who indulges in sex with a woman even after renouncing the world, such a Sannyasi has to spend sixty thousand years as an insect in excrement".
Desires are real cause of worldly pleasures and a person attains liberation (salvation), only after completely getting rid of such desires. Worldly desires disappear even of an aspirant when he starts spiritual practice. If at all it is mentioned somewhere in a volume that a liberated soul is not spoilt even on indulging in material pleasures, it is there to show the dimension of his greatness and glory. It is not a rule. For example , it is mentioned in Gita that a liberated soul who has diluted his ego and whose intellect is not tainted, is never regarded gulty of killing even if he does so nor he is bound. It does not mean that he actually kills anybody. (to be continued)
From book "Is Salvation Not Possible without a Guru?" by Swami Ramsukhdasji
Ram Ram
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If in doubt regarding the translation, please read the original Hindi message by Swamiji.
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